Let A's and B's present ages be A and B respectively, with A being older than B. The age difference is A minus B, so when A was B's current age, the time elapsed was A minus B years ago, making B's age at that time 2B minus A. The statement gives 2B minus A equals (A divided by 2) minus 4, which simplifies to 4B minus 3A equals negative 8. The sum of their present ages is A plus B equals 61, so A equals 61 minus B. Substituting this into the first equation gives 4B minus 3 multiplied by (61 minus B) equals negative 8, which simplifies to 7B minus 183 equals negative 8, meaning 7B equals 175 and B equals 25.